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... as for following guides.... I prefer it when the guides just follow me so I can go at my own pace and the guides can enjoy going slow and looking at things.
That would depend on the spot right? I.e. diving around a small island or go "left/right near the wall until 120bar and then we turn around". Those are simple navigation spots in ideal conditions: good vis, no or low current, small groups of 2-3 buddy pairs or less, etc.

Complex navigation spots that I don't know would make no sense to be in front of the guide. You won't be able to discover the spot. Even with good briefing and plan like: reach this reef, then turn right 50* NE, etc etc, I would prefer the guide to lead most of the time and I just signal if I need a pause to have a look at sth or take photos. Even on ideal night dive with bigger group (i.e. 8 people), losing sight of the lead or assuming someone else is, can screw up a perfect dive if you don't know everyone in the group and can recognize their diving style. Otherwise at night you only recognize the shape/model of the fins at a distance.

And then come the other spots like drift dives (think Maldives) where if one doesn't know the site by heart, they can easily spend some 20 min on the surface until boat comes to pick them up. This scenario is realistic even when following the guide, if you were not able to catch the boat line. Even in some very low-risk locations in Mediterranean or Aegean, I've been to island spots with very strong current around the corner that may be difficult to spot and would drag you into open sea. Have a look around you how many rec divers have SMB with them and then how many can use it, and even then, surfacing in the middle of nowhere is extremely risky with some boat traffic above.

Think also of a bigger shipwreck dive. Even if you know the vessel, disappearing into a room to explore it for 1 min might seriously scare and piss off the person who assumed responsibility for you by agreeing to lead you there and show you around.

Should we agree to not generalize and also face the reality that most of the rec divers are still on their learning curve to become somewhat reasonable divers if they ever become one. Most will always stay at the level "I pay for my dive, I'll do what I want... hey check out my shiny new 360cam, I've done amazing shots" while bumping into others, kicking the wall/floor and being completely unaware what's happening around them most of the time.

I've seen many people with hundreds of dives under their belt and years of diving experience that just are just rubbish divers with massive ego. From a rec-diver perspective: Not cool, especially if you travel around half the world to get to dive some location and then you have to deal with unmitigated ego-driven risk from others in your group. Yes, I would expect the dive op/guide to deal with that on behalf the other divers in the group. From dive guide perspective: even less cool, although they meet people with this behaviour every day.

Lack of experience and willingness to learn is easily noticeable and something to respect and support. Egocentric and risky behaviour is also easily noticeable and impossible to mitigate or correct unless strong authority levers are applied. My 5 cents to the topic.
 
LOLZ So divers above me cannot avoid my bubbles in the big wide ocean? There will always be divers above other divers.

I couldn't wrap my head around that unavoidable bubbles comment either. I was thinking maybe some divers have learned the proper way of diving is one diver directly behind the other maintaining precisely the same depth at all times.
 
LOLZ So divers above me cannot avoid my bubbles in the big wide ocean? There will always be divers above other divers. As for following guides.... I prefer it when the guides just follow me so I can go at my own pace and the guides can enjoy going slow and looking at things.
If you go below me and create a bubble curtain because you don't care, I might break your heart. Why respecting others and being considerate is so hard? Why can't you dive in that big ocean so, that others are not disturbed?
 
I suspect that you didn't intend to type this.
Umm... may be my English: what I mean is that when you meet someone with less experience but enthusiasm, right attitude and willingness to learn and improve, it's perfectly fine to support, share experience and help them become better divers.

This is how I learn, this is how some of the better divers I know have been developing and continue to develop.
 
If you go below me and create a bubble curtain because you don't care, I might break your heart. Why respecting others and being considerate is so hard? Why can't you dive in that big ocean so, that others are not disturbed?

An impenetrable bubble curtain lol.

Created by a diver that happens to be below and in front of another diver who chooses to swim directly over them in a huge expanse of open water.

That's the funniest thing I've read all week.

Hilarious!
 
Umm... may be my English: what I mean is that when you meet someone with less experience but enthusiasm, right attitude and willingness to learn and improve, it's perfectly fine to support, share experience and help them become better divers.
Sure happy to help with the language issue.

The term "lack off" means the person is lacking or missing the attributes that are to be respected and supported.
 
Um... I disagree. But thanks for the offer to support with the language issue.
I didn't realize you in fact do respect and support inexperienced divers who are unwilling to learn. That's what I get for assuming that others don't think the way I do and trying to assist with a perceived poor grasp of my native language and offering to assist.

My apologies. :(
 
I meant completely the opposite: willing to learn instead of unwilling to learn. And I did not only mean it but also wrote it down like that :)
My bad, I have no idea how to reason a statement that is repeatedly misunderstood intentionally or not by the other side.
 
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