How to (politely) advocate for more weight?

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How much weight do you need? What kind of tanks and exposure suit are you using? What is your height and weight?

This data might help to put your predicament in perspective for us. I personally know one tall skinny 22 yr old guy who has a very low body fat and requires an amazing amount of lead. At least 5 lbs more than I would imagine. Some people need more lead. How far "off the normal" are you?
Yeah, a little more info would help. Also, how much weight are they typically offering you?

OP,
One thing to consider. If your dive count in your profile is correct, you may not actually need as much as you think. Newer divers tend to need more weight than they actually need as they tend to hold a bit more in their lungs. Just something to consider as your weight needs may change.

But, I would be polite, but firm. Let them know how many dives you've done, and also a bit on what happened previously when the ops did not provide enough weight.
 
How much weight do you need? What kind of tanks and exposure suit are you using? What is your height and weight?

Me: Female, 5'10", 170lbs (36 if age matters). Technically on paper, on the high end of "normal" BMI. In reality, I'm a little overweight. Not sure what my BF % is, but I know it's higher than the average "healthy/normal BMI" woman, and you can definitely tell by looking at me. I'm working on it. :)

In warm/tropical water (a majority of my dives, and all of my recent dives, Bonaire and Hawaii most recently if that helps with the context), I wear a 3mm shorty and use 16-18lbs depending on the tank. After my most recent dive (ended with lower air than usual, 500psi, due to strong currents/heavier breathing, on an aluminum tank), my buddy requested that I go with 18 from now on, as 16lbs with lower air wasn't enough to keep me neutral and I ended up floating to the surface while finning down (fortunately it was a shallow dive with no safety stop needed! But he said if it had been a deeper dive I could have been in trouble). In colder New England water, a 5mm full suit, 7.5mm gloves, 5mm hood. I've only gone twice and I don't recall what kind of tanks, but I suspect they were aluminum based on how heavy they felt out of the water and how different my buoyancy was at full versus not full tank. But I could definitely be wrong. I was also maybe 10lbs heavier for these dives, as it was the earlier covid times and I hadn't been to the gym recently, and I know fat floats haha. :) I needed 26lbs for a larger capacity tank (I believe it was 120) and 30lbs for a lower-capacity tank (don't recall if it was 80 or 100). If I didn't get that backwards. Sorry for the lack of specifics. I should (and will) be more careful about noting tank types in my log book.
Also, how much weight are they typically offering you?

In warm water/3mm shorty, they usually want to give me 12lbs. I can usually "negotiate" up to 14 before splashing, and end up at 16-18 once in the water. In colder water/5mm full (again, only done twice), they offered me 22lbs.

in fairness.....many divers are very unsure of the weight they need when showing up at a shop on holidays. and many who ask for weight are asking for too much. i am sure the shops are only concerned for you.

This was exactly my assumption, hence the "if I'm being a Karen" comment. :) Shops have been very "there's NO WAY you need that much weight" beforehand, we discuss my previous dives and they give me a little more but not enough, and then they're "okay I guess you do need that much weight!" after making sure I wasn't holding air in my BCD, giving me more weight in the water, and watching me complete the dive. But always in a very nice way (with one exception that I'm still salty about because the DM told me if I needed more weight he'd have it on him to give me (no spares on shore), but then he descended and left with the group while I was still at the surface unable to descend, so my buddy and I missed half of a two tank dive). Part of me doesn't want to "argue" because I know they're doing it for a good reason, and I generally eventually end up with decent weights and have great dives, so really I shouldn't be complaining. But the more times I have to do it, the more slightly irritated I get when I have to start with 12lbs and work my way up, haha (and I have presented my log book, every dive has the weight I used and almost every dive has comments about how the weight worked for me).
 
Women tend to use more lead. That much with a 3 mm shorty is a lot, more than I would expect, but not entirely unreasonable. Chances are you will eventually be able to go a few lbs less.

One sanity check for diving warm water with little suit and aluminum tank…. Is to put ALL the weight you need on a weight belt and jump in with no tank and just snorkel a little.

. Are you comfortable, close to neutral? Maybe just a tiny bit heavy? You might want to have a rope in hand when you slip into the water with 18 lbs on.
 
Women tend to use more lead. That much with a 3 mm shorty is a lot, more than I would expect, but not entirely unreasonable. Chances are you will eventually be able to go a few lbs less.
Someone actually admits women tend to use more lead.

Women also have the dual life preservers.
 
The key here is context.

As it sits we all have no idea what the context is. Is the OP asking for 30lbs of lead and the shop is like "uhhhh". Or, is the norm in the area something like 8lbs and she is asking for 12lb. And by "norm for the area" is this a warm tropical place with very little used normally for exposure protection or is this the arctic circle. Very different "norms" for each of those areas.
 
As a Floridian, I can say that dogdiver probably forgot about that. It's easy to forget that some folks have to fly for every dive, not just the occasional international vacation.

Usually this is where I'd tell people to move here, but this year we've filled up.
 
In my experience, boat crews react to weight requests based on the firmness of the answer they get when the question arises, and their assessment of how the diver is dealing with gear set up. If you don't know how much weight you need, ask for suggestions, fully realizing the answers you get are going to be hit and miss. If you know what you need, then don't put up with "suggestions."
 
Someone actually admits women tend to use more lead.
Is that controversial? I know not all people are "average" but in general don't us lady-types tend to have more body fat than the average dude-type (even for folks who aren't overweight like I am)? When I was certified they straight up said women generally need more and since it made sense I just went with it.
 

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