SSI Letter of Referral Accepted by PADI for OW Course?

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The shop Is correct if they are going to issue you with a Padi certification. To meet standards you would also need a Padi manual and take the Padi quizzes and final exam. This means you are repeating what you have already done with SSI.
Find another shop who will allow you to just complete your OW dives and then send you back to your SSI instructor for the issue of your OW certification.
Padi leaves it up to the individual instructor whether to participate in any cross agency referral scheme.
Personally I am both a Padi and a Naui instructor. Any referral other than Padi I wear my "Naui hat" which eliminates any issues as Naui does encourage Universal referral participation

Some of the above is not true.

From the current PADI manual, page 43:

Referrals from Other Organizations
When receiving a referred diver from another training organization for course completion, follow the Referral Procedures in the General Standards and Procedures Guide. Use the Scuba Review program and the Open Water Diver Course Final Exam to preassess the referred diver’s knowledge and skills.

From the General Standards and Procedures, pages 39-40.
When receiving a referred student diver:
1. Verify the referral documentation.
2. Before inwater activities, have referred students review, complete and sign a new:
• Release of Liability/Assumption of Risk/Nonagency
Acknowledgment Form – General Training
• PADI Standard Safe Diving Practices Statement of Understanding
• PADI Medical Statement (RSTC Medical form).
If a “yes” response in the Divers Medical Questionnaire section is different from the original form provided by the student diver, written clearance to dive from a physician is prerequisite to inwater activities.
3. In preparation for the dive and before beginning open water dive skills, assess the diver’s skills and comfort level in water and generally assess dive knowledge. If the diver exhibits lack of dive readiness, remediate before training progresses.
4. If you complete the final open water training session, ensure that all course requirements are met (including watermanship) and submit a PIC (envelope or online) or appropriate application to your PADI Office.

There is no requirement for a manual or the completion of quizzes.
 
If you start with PADI stay with PADI, if you start with SSI stay with SSI. Easy peasy. But, if you really need to do a referral certification, start with any other agency and finish with NAUI.
 
Some of the above is not true.

From the current PADI manual, page 43:



From the General Standards and Procedures, pages 39-40.


There is no requirement for a manual or the completion of quizzes.

My Apologies you are obviously correct with the Padi Standards.
In this context I was talking real world,
If a student is going to take a Padi exam, then it follows that they need to have access to the Padi Manual, also they will need access to Padi Dive Tables or ERDPML if not using a dive computer.
The quizzes are a great way to check the divers knowledge before taking an exam. Lets the diver experience the type of multiple choice questions they are going to need to answer before they do the actual exam.
 
My Apologies you are obviously correct with the Padi Standards.
In this context I was talking real world,
If a student is going to take a Padi exam, then it follows that they need to have access to the Padi Manual, also they will need access to Padi Dive Tables or ERDPML if not using a dive computer.
The quizzes are a great way to check the divers knowledge before taking an exam. Lets the diver experience the type of multiple choice questions they are going to need to answer before they do the actual exam.

Your real world is a fantasy! :)

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My Apologies you are obviously correct with the Padi Standards.
In this context I was talking real world,
If a student is going to take a Padi exam, then it follows that they need to have access to the Padi Manual, also they will need access to Padi Dive Tables or ERDPML if not using a dive computer.
The quizzes are a great way to check the divers knowledge before taking an exam. Lets the diver experience the type of multiple choice questions they are going to need to answer before they do the actual exam.

I was certified by PADI in a resort location. I borrowed and read an SSI manual during the plane flight there. I checked it against the PADI book later, but there was pretty much no difference in the content issues--I would have passed the PADI exam easily without the PADI manual. I would have needed a review of the tables, but that's really all I would have needed.

Lots of people have taken multiple choice exams before. The PADI exam is not likely to be the first time they have seen one. I will even bet that SSI uses them.
 
There is no requirement for a manual or the completion of quizzes.

There is if you want to certify them. Part of certification after a referral is signing to state all criteria have been met (regardless of someone elses signature on previous modules done elsewhere).

Certification Requirements• Complete five knowledge development segments,
including quizzes and final exam.
• Complete Confined Water Dives 1-5.
• Meet waterskills assessment requirements.
• Complete Open Water Dives 1-4.

So the certifying instructor must ensure the quizzes and exams are completed before signing that form and issuing a PIC.

You also have:-

Materials
Diver
Ensure that student divers have a personal set of current
PADI materials for study and use during the course and for
reference afterward, to include, at a minimum, the course
manual (book, digital or app version) unless unavailable
in a language understood by the student diver. Ensure that
student divers have a log book.

So to carry on with the referral they need access to a PADI manual (ok, you can library this) but its the ensure they retain a copy for reference after the course. In other words, by signing the referral form and accepting them onto the course and when filling in a PIC the certifying instructor needs to ensure they have a manual.

The rules about no PIC without a manual as well were brought in to people skipping this part.

TerryC is correct above.
 
There is if you want to certify them. Part of certification after a referral is signing to state all criteria have been met (regardless of someone elses signature on previous modules done elsewhere).



So the certifying instructor must ensure the quizzes and exams are completed before signing that form and issuing a PIC.

You also have:-



So to carry on with the referral they need access to a PADI manual (ok, you can library this) but its the ensure they retain a copy for reference after the course. In other words, by signing the referral form and accepting them onto the course and when filling in a PIC the certifying instructor needs to ensure they have a manual.

The rules about no PIC without a manual as well were brought in to people skipping this part.

TerryC is correct above.
I see. So the part where they explain the referral process from another agency is a pure lie.. WHy do you think they did that?
 
String is reading the IM out of context. He is applying the standards for the full course to the standards for just a referral, which are separate and explicitly stated.
 
String is reading the IM out of context. He is applying the standards for the full course to the standards for just a referral, which are separate and explicitly stated.

It's not read out of context. Its a certification requirement. Simple as that. to certify they must have met those requirements.

Referral from another agency is to accept them on the course not to certify. To certify the standards still have to be met along with all the required parts of the certification section. There in no exception for "other agencies" making up a half course.

It's something that comes up relatively frequently and something which has been confirmed by PADI asia several times amongst others.

They've still got to do the Quizzes or scuba review *and* the final exam.
 
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