Swimming Skills Assessment

How strong a swimmer are you?

  • Strong Swimmer: Competitive high school, college, or masters swimmer, lifeguard, or WSI

    Votes: 88 21.0%
  • Fitness Swimmer: Not perfect, but routinely swim for fitness or compete in triathlons

    Votes: 101 24.1%
  • Average Swimmer: Learned as a child, but only swim occasionally

    Votes: 207 49.4%
  • Weak Swimmer: Not confident in swimming ability especially far from shore or in the ocean

    Votes: 23 5.5%

  • Total voters
    419

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I don't think one needs to be a superb swimmer but one needs to be enough of a swimmer that should one's inflatable airbag device (BC(D)) not inflate one does not drown as a result.

N, ex WSI, ex Life Guard, occasional mostly ex triathlete and swim 5 to 10 miles every week.
 
"I don't think one needs to be a superb swimmer but one needs to be enough of a swimmer that should one's inflatable airbag device (BC(D)) not inflate one does not drown as a result."

How good a swimmer does one have to be to not drown if their BCD fails? Kind of a relative thing isn't it? I mean, no matter how good a swimmer you are you can only tread water in the ocean for so long and there is no way to determine what the other conditions will be when the BCD fails. So in the end, everyone that goes into the water is taking their chances, no matter how well they swim.
 
To me it feels like different things are being talked about. One is how good a swimmer you are: Are you proficient with the specific strokes, can you swim laps, etc. Another is how good of a "water person" you are: How comfortable you are in the water (on the surface), and how much confidence do you have in your ability to stay calm and afloat (as in the example of being on the surface with no BC)*. Then I guess there is a third part: Overall fitness (whether or not you are a lap swimmer).

To my mind the "water person" part might be the most important for diving, followed closely by the fitness part, and probably trailed a fair bit by the "technical"/lap-swimming prowess. Given the poll structure it seems like the OP would place more of an emphasis on the latter, but that may not be true -- sometimes polls don't really reflect what a person was originally thinking but instead accidentally kind of "direct" things another way, just because writing polls is not that easy.

Blue Sparkle

*Of course for most people, not knowing how to swim would probably erode their confidence in this case, and attitude/confidence is really important when you are in a survival situation.
 
The poll results will show that an alarming number of cyber-divers are willing to lie about their abilities.

Nothing new there.....

R..
That's a pretty sad assessment of your fellow ScubaBoarders. It is hard to see what somebody gets out of lying on an anonymous poll. Isn't it more likely that the poll attracts responses from members who think they are good swimmers, and poor swimmers don't bother?
 
It has been interesting to read this thread so far. I especially enjoyed watching both the poll results and the posts of those who tried to get inside of my head to see where I was going with this.

Like Blue Sparkle mentioned, creating polls isn't always easy. When I first started to create the poll, I found myself having several categories for "strong swimmer" alone.

I asked myself for the sake of the poll, "What is a strong swimmer?" I thought back to my first lifeguard class as a college freshman. I was the only male in the semester long program after we lost one of our fellow students to a car accident following the second day of class. At the time, I was in peak physical shape thanks to martial arts, sports, running and swimming for fitness and much stronger than the girls in the class. Strength and power gave me the edge when towing a victim and I usually beat the girls in rescue times, but several girls with high school swim team backgrounds would smoke me in lap swimming. I envied the ease at which they seemed to fly through the water due to polished technique. That improved technique would come as we started WSI training and became a lifelong pursuit which for which I still strive. To this day I lose and gain polish in direct relation to my participation in masters swimming.

I also noticed after spending years in aquatics that those people who competed in swimming as kids, but not as teens, often lose technique as adults. Swimmers who competed in high school and college retain technique quite well. Those who started disciplined and coached swimming later in their teens or as adults also are more likely to return to poor habits.

If you visit a pool and compare fitness swimmers and triathletes who lack that high school and college competitive background to their peers with that background, the difference is most often night and day.

For that reason, I decided to label a "strong" swimmer as a coached swimmer since technique such a joy to watch and greatly reduces effort. Lifeguards and swimming instructors without swim team experience are also strong swimmers, despite whatever slop they might exhibit, but also have been trained in various skills which would allow for multiple stroke techniques with a good level of energy conservation and propulsion during long swims. Such a swimmer might be a little out of shape for a long swim, but can adapt fairly well. For shorter swims which may require a great deal of power or speed such as a swimming rescue, a "pop quiz" in a diving class with a swim requirement, or needing to swim into current, muscle memory serves them well. Competition swimmers and lifeguards know what it is like to work hard in water, work hard while having high CO2 levels, and work hard while swallowing water.

Next, we have the fitness swimmers. Many have lots of errors in their strokes and many have only one "good" stroke (often the freestyle/crawl), but what they do have is a swimming regimen. Comfort in the water is combined with maintaining muscle endurance and being in the water on a regular basis. Of all swimmers, these might be the best prepared to enter the water whether that be falling overboard miles from shore or needing to pass the swim requirement for a diving class. They know their current strengths and weaknesses, know the pace they need to swim to go the long haul, and are most comfortable swimming right now because they probably swam yesterday. Triathletes have the added advantage of being comfortable swimming in open water while getting kicked and hit in the face in addition to working while having high CO2 and swallowing water.

Of the 158 people who answered the poll nearly half fall into these two groups! That's really cool!

Next, we have the average swimmer. 79 of you! Most of us learned to swim as kids and spent childhoods in the water becoming shriveled prunes. Thanks to increased family affluence, physical education, social programs and community centers its hard to find an urban or suburban kid who didn't at least have the opportunity to learn to swim. Most of us did and most of us never wanted to get out of the water. However, for many, no matter how much they love the water and how comfortable they are in it, getting into the water to swim isn't something they do regularly. There are conditions underwater and at the surface which may demand endurance, speed, and better skills. There is definitely a danger to thinking that you are more prepared than you are to deal with a swimming situation, but most of us know when to stop pushing ourselves physically, when we need to conserve energy and have the comfort not to panic when the oceans and waterways show us why they need respect.

For dive professionals, I suggest staying as "swim fit" as possible by engaging in regular fitness swimming and getting coaching if you don't like students to see your technique. Lead by example by performing the swim requirements your students must perform in every class. This way, you'll know where your limits are. As we age, we may be getting better at educating based upon experience, but our fitness levels do drop and we may need to rescue others.

For the few weak swimmers, I know its a little tougher to get started, but just about every YMCA pool offers adult swimming programs - many are affordable private lessons. Your local dive center can often hook you up with ways to improve your swimming. It's never too late to develop comfort and technique. Someday a buddy may depend on you.

Comfort in the water is the most important aspect of any water sport - scuba diving is no exception. You don't have to be the fastest swimmer, the best swimmer, or even currently fit to be what we may define as a "good diver," but as several posters pointed out, it also doesn't hurt to add or regain both swimming fitness and swimming technique to your toolbox of scuba skills. Swimming provides intrinsic rewards all its own and its a great way to ward off winter water blues as well as maintain fitness. Fitness is definitely something every diver should strive to improve.

What was the whole point? I've recently attended three industry meetings in which a small group of industry professionals claim that today's diver isn't comfortable in the water. While the SB sampling is small and not scientific by any means, and many SB members are very interested in the sport, I'm betting that the majority of divers in this world would claim they are comfortable in the water.

I'm betting "comfort" isn't a problem in the diving industry. I'm betting that the problem in the industry is that the training agencies aren't giving divers enough credit for being motivated enough to turn comfort into skill.
 
Thanks for the follow-up Trace. It cleared things up a little for me! Although I still don't feel feel like I fit exactly in any of the categories. I was on a neighborhood swim team as a child, and got some coaching, but nothing like I would have gotten if I'd been on one of the super-competitive swim teams some of my friends were on (even the guys shaved their legs and arms to shave milliseconds off their times, I wasn't going there.) But I enjoy swimming. When I was a child, and now, when I go to the ocean, I will "swim" in it rather than just hang out in the water. On liveaboards I've been known to swim around the boat (after a dive, not in my gear, just for fun). I'm comfortable in the water and now that my cardiovascular fitness is improving thanks to dropping some bad habits and picking up some good ones, I've been much less uncomfortable with bad currents. All that being said, I wouldn't have put myself in that "top" category of strong. Certainly, I'm not in the fitness category since I'm not swimming for fitness currently, but I don't feel average either.

Regardless, I've enjoyed this thread; it's made me think. I've been in the pool a few times over the past months (pre self-testing for a swim test, and then taking two swim tests) and have been toying with idea of swimming for fitness. This thread has really brought that to the forefront of my mind and I appreciate it!
 
Divers need to be fit, and comfortable in the water. A swim test is a good simple way to see this.

Having said that I'm one of the slower swimmers I know, I've only passed timed swim tests from being fit enough to thrash like an extra in jaws for an extended period of time... well not quite but I don't enjoy swimming.

I happen to love free diving, which I reckon is a bit more relevant so why not make the OW swim test a free dive to say 30-40ft and 2 minute breath hold? Anyone with a slightly decent level of fitness and comfort in the water could do that.

Really for basic rescue skills you have to be able to sprint a short distance, that can't be argued and in my opinion everyone must be able to do this. But even self rescue, I can't really see when I'll strip off my gear down to a dodgy pair of speedos and head back 800m to the boat with no mask or fins.

Once you have hold of a victim in the water then having great front crawl technique isn't relevant.

I'm betting that the problem in the industry is that the training agencies aren't giving divers enough credit for being motivated enough to turn comfort into skill.

Certainly there's no downside to being a great swimmer, though for me you may as well be asking me to take tennis lessons.
 
What was the whole point? I've recently attended three industry meetings in which a small group of industry professionals claim that today's diver isn't comfortable in the water. ...

I'm betting "comfort" isn't a problem in the diving industry. I'm betting that the problem in the industry is that the training agencies aren't giving divers enough credit for being motivated enough to turn comfort into skill.

I have not been attending the same industry meetings as you, but I have heard people say that many of today's divers are not comfortable in the water. In stating this, though, they are not talking about the same thing as you are in this thread. They are talking about comfort in the water as it relates to diving skill, especially safety and buoyancy control.

Skilled swimmers who are completely comfortable in the water before diving but who experience weak instructional practice may be uncomfortable in the water while diving. They may be struggling to swim comfortably because they can't control trim or buoyancy. They may have not have had enough practice with skills like air sharing, checking their gauges, or clearing their masks to feel comfortable performing those skills while diving. That may be especially true if they are diving well up in the water column and have never been taught how to perform those skills in mid water while maintaining buoyancy control.

As I said, I have not been traveling in your circle, but in the circle in which I travel, that is what is meant when they talk about divers not being comfortable in the water.
 
As a dive guide,(60 years young),I can load/unload: 100 full/empty tanks,dive gear for 25 divers, and all dive boat equipment. Guide (4) dives safely per day including extracting tank/kit from the surface to boat. BUT I'm not a good swimmer....

"living life without a hard bottom"
KT
 
Divers need to be fit, and comfortable in the water. A swim test is a good simple way to see this.

Having said that I'm one of the slower swimmers I know, I've only passed timed swim tests from being fit enough to thrash like an extra in jaws for an extended period of time... well not quite but I don't enjoy swimming.

I happen to love free diving, which I reckon is a bit more relevant so why not make the OW swim test a free dive to say 30-40ft and 2 minute breath hold? Anyone with a slightly decent level of fitness and comfort in the water could do that.

Really for basic rescue skills you have to be able to sprint a short distance, that can't be argued and in my opinion everyone must be able to do this. But even self rescue, I can't really see when I'll strip off my gear down to a dodgy pair of speedos and head back 800m to the boat with no mask or fins.

Once you have hold of a victim in the water then having great front crawl technique isn't relevant.

Certainly there's no downside to being a great swimmer, though for me you may as well be asking me to take tennis lessons.

When students enter a scuba diving class for the first time they may not have gained an adequate explanation of pressure, barotrauma, equalization techniques, proper breath-up prior to a breath-hold dive, and how to move underwater from the course materials or E-learning. A swim test is a better prerequisite since the idea of scuba instruction is to take someone who can swim and who is comfortable in the water then train out survival instincts that might lead to a diving accident and replace those with proper responses until those responses become automatic.

In class, it is often better for an instructor with good skills, experience, and proper training to teach freediving techniques. Having come from an agency which emphasizes snorkeling and breath hold diving as an important part of open water scuba instruction, and having had a passion for freediving for many years, I'm all about every open water program dedicating time to teaching proper snorkeling and freediving skills. I'd even like to go one better and require that all divers take a freediving course prior to scuba because my experience with students who have done just that has shown me that they are far better in the water for it. But, that just wouldn't be realistic. Many instructors have little if any freediving training. "Snorkeling" is often not given the respect it deserves in many scuba classes. Some ignorant people even see it as an inferior aspect of our sport. But, it's not true and it is an important foundation for any diver. Sometimes a snorkel or a breath of air at the surface is the best tool for the job. They even use freedivers at the WKPP project to shuttle scooters and stage/deco bottles.

We often teach rescue at short distances, but I've had to make a couple of long swims in real-life rescue situations. Anyone who has ever made a real rescue at any distance knows how hard it often is, but it is especially grueling over a long distance. I just Google-Earthed the distance another instructor and I covered after a 3 hour decompression dive to reach two victims of a diving accident. It was about 260 yards which doesn't seem like much, but wearing drysuits, steel doubles and large can lights (I had a Halcyon Pro 14) it was torture. I got there way before my buddy, but that was because I was still swimming masters and working as a lifeguard. I kept my gas supply in case I needed to go down for another victim. My buddy ditched his rig because he was low on gas and also couldn't make the swim with it. We were joined by a rescue boat which took the victims to shore. While rescuers are taught to keep their heads out of the water and an eye on their victim, in the real world, especially over distance being able to drop your head in the water briefly can save so much energy. Lifeguards are trained to give up keeping heads out of the water over long distance approach strokes and cycle between strokes with heads under water and strokes while sighting the victim. All I had one day for an impromptu surf rescue was a pair of board shorts, a wax comb and a freediving mask. Swimming with a mask is a love hate relationship because you are thankful to be able to see underwater clearly, but the way water spills across the face plate and skirt means you need to rotate your trunk and head more to breathe which uses more energy.

For divers, rescue training usually considers self and buddy rescue. But, for dive professionals, especially working divemasters or instructors who just happen to be in the right place at the right time, a swimming rescue can be a long long way. Speed is often critical in the chain of survival. A diving magazine reported an accident in which a vacationing instructor swam from a dive boat to save a diver in trouble and nearly ended up drowning her because he underestimated the effort and started clinging to her. A divemaster from the boat rescued them both. My TDI tech instructor just quit teaching because in his mid 60's he doesn't feel like he has the stamina he needs to make rescues. He's incredibly fit and rides his bike, but he retired as a professional firefighter lieutenant with the city of Philadelphia and thinks smoke inhalation caught up to him. He just doesn't have the wind when he runs and swims.

Swimming may or may not be seen as useful by all for the way they dive and their activities, but one thing we should all try to do frequently is perform training rescues with full scuba gear practicing long and difficult rescues. It's very humbling.
 
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