I don't think so Pro Dive

[ONESPEED]

This thread is proof of a theory I've had for years, some people have way too much time on their hands to bitch and should be forced to get day jobs so the rest of us don't have to listen to it. Lighten up people, I'd hate to see how some of you would react if you had a real problem.

 

[ONESPEED]

I'm sure everyone that got the offer, will get unlimited comp dives for every dive trip they set up with Pro Diver as well. As long as the rest of the divers in the group get a decent rate, I've no problem with that. Of course, I'd pass on the freebie and split the savings with everyone diving.

Trust me when I say everyone involved is quite happy. Virtually all of the whiners (with a very few exceptions) are people who weren't offered the deal....interesting....

 

[Jupiter31]

I don't want to get into a Bill Clinton type debate on just what "is" is - LOL

Decker posted, in part:

1. Only a few specific contributers who participated in recent discussions about experiences on local dive ops were invited to bring a buddy and experience their new dive operation for almost nothing (essentially cost).

2. This was not a general solicitation of business and only the people who's posts they specifically responded to get it. Apparently they care what we think, want some of us to experience their service and know enough to tell others whether they are as good as they think or just plain suck.

Given that they only sent the offer to those of you with more and better postings than me on a very specific topic, I hardly consider this to be spam or an abuse of some great moral standard or highly charished public trust."


Gotta agree - if your defination of SPAM is anything unsolisited via e mail from a business or individual - so I guess this might fit. But its nowhere close to the "Nigerian Bank Letter" or any of the 100's of SPAM items we get every day.

Where I give them a pass is it was sent to very few, and it contained a very legitimate offer - without writing my previous post on this again, I find it hard to be mad at someone who offers me something I very well could be interested in for free or a greatly reduced price.

I would not be nearly so kind if the offer was to, say, join a dive travel club, for the today price of $999, or some such nonsense.

And as for the OP - I don't know him, but have read many of his posts - to be nice, lets just say he comes across as someone easily angered (and he lives in S. FL - go figure....) so I could see him posting how pissed he was to recieve such a PM.

But he also missed the offer of free diving; he seems to be the kind of guy when you say, "Have a nice day" he comes back with "Don't tell me what to do"

As has been suggested by many, thats what the delete button is for.

(And tell the truth - aren't you a little mad that like me, you didn't get a PM??)

Previous paragraph was just kidding - have a good night! I think I dove w/ you in Jupiter in the past, BTW.

 

[Jupiter31]

The above was in response to CoolTech's question to me

 

[RAD Diver]

I got the PM, & the only problem I have with it is I can't get to So. Florida in time to take them up on it.:depressed:

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

Jupiter31... I did read the entire post before answering. But, you made some very valid points that I wanted to answer for no real specific reason

And, yes we dove out of JDC with you either last year or early this year. We had fun!

Original Post:

Is anyone else offended that these morons are on ScubaBoard spamming everyone?

Yeah, thanks for the unsolicited sales message... let me come dive with you now.

They even have the gall to write "I read your post on scuba board" followed by a lengthy sales message. No you didn't read anything- you spammed me.

I surely won't be diving with them, ever.

Link to ScubaBoard TOS with respect to SPAM:

seems to me that they went out and send a mass advertisement via PM for their "product".....


To me, it met the definition of spam because it was an unwanted advertisement that I did not ask for information for via PM.

According to SB TOS, it meets the definition of SPAM they have set out.


from http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/faq.php?faq=tos_items#faq_tos_define_spam

On ScubaBoard we combine the commonly held definitions of SPAM into one concrete statement. SPAM is, as a general rule, a message sent in any amount of a commercial or non-commercial nature which is unsolicited. More specifically, SPAM generally consists of an advertisement of some nature which is sent directly to a user or users or is posted in a forum or forums.
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SB could also ban them for this based on their TOS as the user is a new user who just came here to SPAM PM's. (they only had 2 posts at the time of the PM's).

The punishment for spamming a user or the board varies based on the severity of the SPAM. Users with no prior posts who blatantly post SPAM messages to multiple forums or PM multiple users may be banned without further warning. Users in good standing who send out a limited number of messages may simply be given a warning or a short suspension. There is no such thing as Good SPAM on our board and all members, regardless of their status, may be banned immediately for spamming the board in any manner even if it is with just one message or post. As a general rule we try to take into account the nature of all messages, commercial versus private and the degree of the abuse. But to this issue, simply do not send users messages containing advertising of services, goods, links or personal ads they aren't asking for!
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EDIT: That being said, the pm's were diving related, so I don't really think we should kick them off the board, but perhaps some moderator should send them a PM explaining that there is a better way to fish up business.

I don't want to get into a Bill Clinton type debate on just what "is" is - LOL

No debate... I did not give you MY definition of SPAM. I gave you the dictionary definition of SPAM and ScubaBoard's definition of SPAM, not some wiki, or other source

Please read above in the quoted post with respect to the bold red information from the TOS of ScubaBoard

Decker posted, in part:

1. Only a few specific contributers who participated in recent discussions about experiences on local dive ops were invited to bring a buddy and experience their new dive operation for almost nothing (essentially cost).

2. This was not a general solicitation of business and only the people who's posts they specifically responded to get it. Apparently they care what we think, want some of us to experience their service and know enough to tell others whether they are as good as they think or just plain suck.

Market SPAM. SPAM sent to a specific market or demographic

Given that they only sent the offer to those of you with more and better postings than me on a very specific topic, I hardly consider this to be spam or an abuse of some great moral standard or highly cherished public trust."


Gotta agree - if your definition of SPAM is anything unsolicited via e mail from a business or individual - so I guess this might fit. But its nowhere close to the "Nigerian Bank Letter" or any of the 100's of SPAM items we get every day.

It's not "my" definition. It's THE definition, and it IS like the 100's of SPAM items we get every day. The "Nigerian Bank Letter" is not only SPAM it's also a scam. If your definition of SPAM is only messages meant to scam, then many of those 100's of items you get every day are not SPAM either

Where I give them a pass is it was sent to very few, and it contained a very legitimate offer - without writing my previous post on this again, I find it hard to be mad at someone who offers me something I very well could be interested in for free or a greatly reduced price.

I would not be nearly so kind if the offer was to, say, join a dive travel club, for the today price of $999, or some such nonsense.

Then, you are only deciding what SPAM you deem worthy of your attention. Both offers were legitimate and both offers were sent unsolicited from commercial enterprises. You simply decided that you might be interested in one SPAM over another.

And as for the OP - I don't know him, but have read many of his posts - to be nice, lets just say he comes across as someone easily angered (and he lives in S. FL - go figure....) so I could see him posting how pissed he was to receive such a PM.

But he also missed the offer of free diving; he seems to be the kind of guy when you say, "Have a nice day" he comes back with "Don't tell me what to do"

I don't know the OP either and I haven't read his postings. I am not sure he "missed the offer of free diving" because he never mentioned it in his post.

As has been suggested by many, thats what the delete button is for.

(And tell the truth - aren't you a little mad that like me, you didn't get a PM??)

Not at all. My dives are booked to July right now. I'm not mad, but a bit perturbed that some people who have been posting to this thread have decided to "change ala-Bill Clinton" the definition of SPAM to suit their wants (No, I don't mean you per-se). In some cases, they have made an art out of "whining" about people who they deem are "whining" simply because those people have a different opinion and are discussing it in a rational way.

One is simply going down the line and hitting the "Thanks Button" for every post from the ala-Clinton posters... VERY friggin humorous to see

Previous paragraph was just kidding - have a good night! I think I dove w/ you in Jupiter in the past, BTW.

I did read the entire post before answering. But, you made some very valid points that I wanted to answer for no real specific reason

And, yes we dove out of JDC with you either last year or early this year. We had fun!

 

[Jupiter31]

"Then, you are only deciding what SPAM you deem worthy of your attention. Both offers were legitimate and both offers were sent unsolicited from commercial enterprises. You simply decided that you might be interested in one SPAM over another."

You know, pretty much - like beauty, SPAM is in the eye of the beholder; that offer for the free dance lessons - SPAM - the free dive - Wonderful! -
BTW, did I mention I was mad I did not get the PM in question?

Its all good - take care, be well, and see you diving!

 

[tiggrr]

On a side note.....there is now a REPORT button for PM's.

How exciting is that??

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

On a side note.....there is now a REPORT button for PM's.

How exciting is that??

not very... since this thread has brought out the VERY Clinton-esk...

And as I answered the last post... The "Thanks Bandit" made an appearance....

 

[DebbyDiver]

On a side note.....there is now a REPORT button for PM's.

How exciting is that??

Well that's quicker than the old fashioned way of seeing which Mod was online and forwarding it to them.

WOO HOO Sunday's trip is shaping up to be freakin' awesome!!!