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Two suggestions for now:

Rent

TT as many divers as you can about their eq - what they like, etc - would they buy this eq again - what would they buy if they could do it all over again - what would they buy if $$ were not an object

You will find divers LOVE to talk abou their gear

You will also get some good insight.

Then do some research - and if you want to purchase from your LDS, you will at least have a package you want vs what they are putting together.
 
If I had to reacquire a basic set of gear it look something like this:

1) BCD - DeepSeaSupply Kydex BP/30# Single Tank Wing. The Kydex Plate is lightweight for your travels. You may want the pro-fit adjustiable harness to start out then eventually the one peice. https://www.deepseasupply.com/ Ask for Tobin.

2) Scubapro MK25/S600 Regulator, G250V Octo

3) Dive Rite Duo or Zeagle N2ition (Same Computer) wrist computer and Dive Rite Pressure Gauge 2".

HAPPY DIVING
 
Hey do you think the Dive Rite Transpac is a good set up for a beginner? Or should I stick with a jacket style?
Opinions vary, and reasonable people can disagree, but as several have suggested, you may wish to at least consider a backplate / wing. If you can borrow one to try out before making any purchase, I would encourage it. More than a few people find that, once they have tried them, they stick with them. As for the TransPac, it is a nice, back-inflate unit. Keep in mind that it is somewhat positively buoyant, and consequently may add to the weight you need to carry. I use one for one particular type of doubles diving, and I like the unit, but need to add weight on my waist when I use it. In reality, you can enjoy diving with a jacket-style, a back-inflate, or BP/W BCD. You will find that your personal gear preferences 'mature' over time, and your equipment choices will be affected by those developing preferences. That is one reason for considering a somewhat less costly (e.g. used) approach to gear the first time out. For example, if you decided to go with the basic equipment included in the package, with the exception of the Air2, you could get a used Knighhawk, and a used Mk25/S600, with a Suunto Cobra computer, for about $750 on eBay. Obviously, there are pros and cons to eBay, to used gear, etc. But, it may be worht adding to your decision tree.
 
First off, I may be a bit biased since I dive all SP gear, but let me say that I feel you can't go wrong with Scubapro. I dive a SP reg, BC and computer as well as other gear items. My boyfriend just bought a similar package. (The one that SP is pushing right now with the Galileo Sol and any SP BCD) I barked at him about the Air2 and the air integrated computer but he went with it anyway. Due to this I'm a little passionate and long winded when it comes to this, so I apologize in advance.:blinking:

The MK25/S600 is in my opinion a superior regulator system. You just can't go wrong. Props to you for looking at this reg. set-up.

The Air2 is a nice idea, but when it comes down to a real OOA emergency it's screwy if you're diving with someone who is not familiar with the set up who is also probably panicked and scared beyond all comprehension. I'm royally pissed at my boyfriend for getting it and even more pissed now that we have gone through Rescue diver with it. One more personal reason I hate them (especially after rescue diver) is because he's thinking about going through Divemaster certification (which won't apply to you at this time) with me and it's just going to cause problems when having to demo the OOA skills if he doesn't have an octo...especially if he ends up getting a moldable mouthpiece on his primary second stage which will make it extremely uncomfortable for the OOA diver who is already scared. Don't make it any more uncomfortable or frightening for them than it already is! Keep in mind that this is only MY reasoning for hating on the set up. I know people who love it and that's fine...I just feel that you have to look at the WHOLE picture and go over what-ifs when thinking about getting one.

While I don't know much about the Pro Plus, it looks like a nice all in one computer. My main bark about this is what if your battery dies? What if the computer is screwed up and tells you that you have 1000psi when you really have 800psi? The computer being off on how much gas you have is more of a concern to me than the battery because I have seen several air integrated computers in the past 6 months be OFF by at LEAST 200psi! If you want the air integrated great, but please consider an analog pressure gauge somewhere in your kit as a back-up if the computer fails. I have the Scubapro/UWATEC Aladin Tec2G and bought it as a console set-up which saved me money because I later bought the wrist mount holder so that I have the option to pop the computer out and stick it on my wrist for easier viewing and didn't have to go and buy a console with my compass and pressure gauge separately. When I have the computer in my console I have it on a retractable clip so that while not in use it is held close to my body and out of the way. Might be a thought if you do end up going with this set-up anyway so your console isn't dragging or able to hit things. All of this is again, your own personal preferance and just points to think about when thinking about buying an air integrated computer system.

As for the BCD I'm a firm believer that A) you once again can't go wrong with a Scubapro BCD and that B) you should try several different styles before investing. This package only gives you one option. Back inflate. I tried back inflates, jacket style and BP/W set ups and ended up with Scubapro Bella jacket style. I liked it's features better than anything else and it fit better than anything else. BP/W vs. other BCD style is an old argument around here and as I've stated many times before, it all comes down to what YOU feel comfortable in and what features YOU like best.

Final thoughts: Congrats on your OW and please think about renting your gear for a bit. I rented for about 5 months before buying my own gear. I tried lots of different regs, BC's and computers. Sure, I paid a lot for rentals and could have saved $$$ in the long run by buying my own gear right off of the bat but I also gained a lot of knowledge on different set-ups and made a well educated decision on my set-up when I went to buy.

Happy diving!
 
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Thanks for the responses everyone. Yeah I might just pass on that particular package deal and try and see if they can put together my own package. That was a good thought Colliam7. Hey do you think the Dive Rite Transpac is a good set up for a beginner? Or should I stick with a jacket style?


thanks, Scott

I did not notice the Dive Rite Transpac question in your second post. It would be an excellent choice. I used one with excellent results for ten years before I gravitated to a BP/wing set-up. You will stand far less chance of second guessing this selection as compared with the jacket styles. Lastly, it would effectively end the decison regarding the Air II device which I dislike intensely for safety reasons.
 
The Air2 is a nice idea, but when it comes down to a real OOA emergency it's screwy if you're diving with someone who is not familiar with the set up who is also probably panicked and scared beyond all comprehension. I'm royally pissed at my boyfriend for getting it and even more pissed now that we have gone through Rescue diver with it. One more personal reason I hate them (especially after rescue diver) is because he's thinking about going through Divemaster certification (which won't apply to you at this time) with me and it's just going to cause problems when having to demo the OOA skills if he doesn't have an octo...especially if he ends up getting a moldable mouthpiece on his primary second stage which will make it extremely uncomfortable for the OOA diver who is already scared. Don't make it any more uncomfortable or frightening for them than it already is! Keep in mind that this is only MY reasoning for hating on the set up. I know people who love it and that's fine...I just feel that you have to look at the WHOLE picture and go over what-ifs when thinking about getting one.

I would have to disagree. Being OOA has nothing to do with the molded mouth piece or what style you use. The OOA diver will take what ever air they can get. Heck, I would breath off an octo that had the mouth piece chewed off if it meant getting air.

More and more divers who own their own gear and purchased in the past few years are showing up with the Air2 or one of equal design from another manufacturer.



Jupiter31 said it right when he said rent first. Rent from different shops all across your area. That will ensure you are renting a wide array of BCD styles and you'll find which ones you like and which ones you don't. Different brands fit differently and each has one or two things that sets it apart from the other.

I went through a couple of BCDs before I found when I liked. I stuck with an OMS wing setup but I can't use that when working with students or leading store trips so I also have another vest that is comfortable.


Take your time and do your research. Borrow gear if you have to and enjoy your diving!
 
I would have to disagree. Being OOA has nothing to do with the molded mouth piece or what style you use. The OOA diver will take what ever air they can get. Heck, I would breath off an octo that had the mouth piece chewed off if it meant getting air.

I understand your point as that had run through my mind and is a very good point. I didn't care about the molded mouthpieces on the primary reg with and Air2 set up until I was told an OOA story with an Air2 and molded mouthpiece on the primary 2nd stage that ended up choking the OOA diver. This was because the mouthpiece was too big for their mouth because the "sides" extended too far back as they are designed so that you hold the reg. in your mouth with all of your teeth, not just the first half. So, if you have a small mouth and the reg you're being given has a molded mouthpiece that has been fitted for someone with a larger mouth and you have a bad gag reflex...well...yeah. You better hope you're not too far down!:)
 
I would have to disagree. Being OOA has nothing to do with the molded mouth piece or what style you use. The OOA diver will take what ever air they can get. Heck, I would breath off an octo that had the mouth piece chewed off if it meant getting air.

More and more divers who own their own gear and purchased in the past few years are showing up with the Air2 or one of equal design from another manufacturer.



Jupiter31 said it right when he said rent first. Rent from different shops all across your area. That will ensure you are renting a wide array of BCD styles and you'll find which ones you like and which ones you don't. Different brands fit differently and each has one or two things that sets it apart from the other.

I went through a couple of BCDs before I found when I liked. I stuck with an OMS wing setup but I can't use that when working with students or leading store trips so I also have another vest that is comfortable.


Take your time and do your research. Borrow gear if you have to and enjoy your diving!

Good luck trying to locate much of the more desirable gear as rental equipment. Most shops do not put the pricer and often times more desirable equipment into the rental fleet. I agree with Darcey's asertion that the Scubapro MK25/S600 combo is difficult to second guess...
 
Some do and yes, some don't but the idea is to use a bunch of eq before purchase.

Chances are if you like a product lines "lesser featured" offerings, you will love their top of the line gear.

2 years ago I purchased an "Atomic" reg from an LDS's rental fleet - was less than a year old, came w/ a new mouthpiece (LOL) and was 1/3 rd of the price of new - very pleased w/ the purchase, zero problems, so sometimes bargans can be found there too.
 
I would think twice buying console, though for a good visibility ocean dives that might be ok.

SP25/600 is a great reg so I would not think much

I agree with Darcey about the mouthpiece, that can cause a problem for an OOA person. I was in that position once when we were practicing reg exchange and my buddy had a mouthpiece with 2 high edges. I was surprised when I put it in and instead of air got an water bubble mix. :) though it was not dangerous at that time it could be in real OOA. But I still want to check Air2 for myself. I have contradictory opinions about it , some people love it some hate it.
 

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