Help with my trim, please

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Asanoth

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Hello,
I would like to ask the more experienced here for some advice on my trim, how to improve and fix it. I know people generally have their body more leaning, not straight, and bent knees. I do not do that, but that is more of a natural thing, not that someone taught me.
Going a bit down:
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Going straight.
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Photographing something more or less in front perpendicular to current:
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Bottom view:
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Relaxed followed by stroke. The video of the stroke is here:
Edit: It actually can read google drive videos! So no more pictures, one more video:


Thank you all for any remarks :) .
 
Overall it looks ok. If it’s comfortable I’d not worry about it.Your propulsion is what I noticed. Which is why I recommend the fins for the frog kick focus on touching the bottoms of your feet together at the end of the kick and allowing more of a glide phase.

I think you’d appreciate some heavier and stiffer fins. They’d help your propulsion and add some weight lower on your body which would counteract some of the head down trim you have probably just enough to be able to have some bends in your knees which I also think would help your propulsion.
 
Your core seems to be in trim, just the legs are too high. Begin with the frog kick position, keep your body straight from your shoulder to your knees. Tighten your butt muscles to keep that postion. That will help bring your center of gravity closer together. Then experiment with a heavier fin. Perhaps a buddy or your dive shop has a pair for you to borrow and get new video. Watch some cave diving videos to see the frog kick position. Learning to frog kick will change you as a diver. It will give you a kick and forward motion with a 50% effort and a glide for the rest of the forward movement (and therefore resting during the glide phase) (instead of scissor kicking that requires a 100% effort - always kicking to move). Then you can learn helicopter turns (turning within your body length) and learn to back up.
Off topic but your SPG is hanging down. Go to your LDS and ask for a new hose and single pressure gauge, bolt snap and a bit of cave line. This will give you the ability to clip your pressure gauge off to your left chest D ring. You will never need to look for your pressure gauge again and you will look even more in trim (no gear hanging down). Enjoy the diving
 
One more thing...
You see new divers trying to change their position in the water using their hands to move themselves left or right. It's the right idea, just the wrong tool. Your fins are the right tool for that job, and frog kicking is the answer.
Buoyancy - Trim - Propulsion. The holy trinity of scuba diving. :)
 
Is your lower back getting sore? Overall trim looks good. I agree with Crofrog in regards to both the glide phase needing to last longer and switching to a stiffer single blade fin.
 
Thank you all for answers. I should mention that I am a vacation diver from a landlocked country, so all my gear is rental, except for the camera and the mask :) .
Nothing is getting sore, but my air consumption is fairly high - not by numbers, but on my last trip to Egypt, I got to 50 bar at 15 l at the more or less same rate as most others at 12 l. For my 15th - ~50th dive, my SAC was 17,3 l/min (not sure about the exact tank size, I simply put the 12 l into Subsurface), and it was the same during my Egypt trip (dives 51 - 72). Interestingly enough, on my first 10-15 dives after my certification in the Phillipines, it was only 16,5 l/min. Then I got some Thailand dives at over 20 l/min (just a few, most are again somewhat 17), and a Komodo trip at 17,4 l/min - which seems my consumption is actually getting a little bit worse. But I think that is within margin of error given I just put 12 liters (and not 11,3 l or something like that) everywhere except for those 15 l in Egypt. My wife has like 9 l/min :D
 
@Asanoth Have you tried a few dives without the camera to see if your gas consumption rate improves? Based on my experience and my dive buddies', we all tend to consume more gas while carrying cameras and chasing the interesting shot. My friends and I find that diving camera-less leads to a more relaxed dive and improved gas consumption rates.
 
@Asanoth Have you tried a few dives without the camera to see if your gas consumption rate improves? Based on my experience and my dive buddies', we all tend to consume more gas while carrying cameras and chasing the interesting shot. My friends and I find that diving camera-less leads to a more relaxed dive and improved gas consumption rates.

Yes, so I have been told, but for me it is nearly pointless diving without a camera. Definitely way less enjoyable. I dive to see (and record observations of) underwater fauna, and being a vacation diver from landlocked country, every single dive is precious to me. Since I have had an OWD, I have only done 3 dives without a camera, as I did not expect to be diving and did not have it with me, but I also did not have my computer and did not log average depth. I do not recall my air consumption being significantly lower though.

Interestingly enough, my first 20 dives after my certification, my average SAC was 17,1 l/min.
After that, I did a short liveaboard in Komodo, 17,4 l/min.
Liveaboard in Egypt, 17,4 l/min.
27 dives on (in? at?) the Philippines this January, 17,2 l/min.*

It changes 14 - 21 (those are fairly atypical, mostly 15-20), but my average SAC has not changed since I did my OWD.
Consensus seems to be, that I am moving too much. I do not really feel I move at all, but that is what people tell me. One Filipino dive master told me: Everything is good, your trim is good, your buyoancy is good, but you move too much.

I actually had fairly poor neutral buyoancy (and understanding of what neutral buyoancy means), using legs quite a lot to balance, but after watching some Flowstate videos mid this Philippines trip, I immediately fixed this, at least to a significant extent, also went from 3 kg to 2 kg weights (I am some 70 kg and fairly slim), and a few dives later moved one kg on my tank to lie flatter.
I also changed my breathing: before I was taking really deep breaths, say 10 - 90% capacity, which I tried to switch to the Flowstate recommended 40 - 60 % when not changing depth. This was not as quick to fix and sometimes my mind wandered off it.
I really expected my SAC will jump down after this, but it did not change at all (actually those dives are 0,5 l/min worse, but those were not lab conditions, so such small difference does not play a role, I think).
That same DM actually said that as I have legs up, I might be underweighted (which does not correspond to the BC out - breath in - eye level surface test). Maybe it means I am not stable depth-wise. My wife also told me that often after I take a photo, I rise up "like 2 meters".

During our time in Anilao, a videographer from the US joined our group: He was often kicking A LOT (churning sand and sediment big time, sometimes), he had a very heavy rig, but still his air consumption was apparently very good. I just cannot wrap my head around it...
I guess I just need to realize how and when I move and stop doing that.

* Side not for the Philippines trip: My first 2 days on Malapascua, I had SAC 15,3 l/min (27 - 28 °C). Then I got food poisoning and did not dive for one day, and only did 2 more dives the next day (17 and 18,6 l/min). In Anilao, water was colder, 26 - 27 °C - it does not seem like much, but it definitely felt a lot colder, and I also had some Aliexpress wetsuit instead of Cressi Lui, which fits me very well. Here my SAC was 17,7 l/min.
I also realize that the manometers can easily be 10 % off, so maybe figures like 17 and 18,6 is actually the same.
 

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